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Bigredmed
Senior Mav

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Posted - 01/16/2008 :  5:22:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by UNOMav

Most of the true UP site that would be used for the stadium is 600 feet north of the Cuming Street on the north side of Lot D. Much of what the OWH says is the UP site, along 11th Street isn't owned by UP.

I guess my feeling is that once you get north of Cuming it starts to distance itself from the rest of the riverfront and the ped bridge.

The UP site isn't horrible, like the Civic site, but it isn't the best.




The nice thing about this land is it's proximity to the hotels and InPlay north of Cuming street. It would also leave all the lot C and D parking for a Dingerville redux. (Something that I feel strongly that Omaha should insist upon restarting, given the number of fans who like the atmosphere and drive their RV's up and start cooking cajun food, and the number of fans from here that like it.) Lots C and D also could be used for VIP parking so the money grubbing NCAA could suck some more profit out of the event.

The other nice thing about this is that if you oriented the stadium so that home plate was toward the river, the shot the tv cameras would have in the night game would be Omaha's increasingly pretty skyline.

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U!N!O!

10827 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2008 :  5:42:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wherever they build a new stadium, it'll be beautiful.

I guess I am simply befuddled by the behavior of MECA (and David Sokol).

Sometimes, you can't get the "ideal" location to build an arena or a stadium. Ideally, you'd like to have everything right next to each other, but sometimes that can be difficult in urban areas.

We're lucky that so little (relatively speaking) of the NoDo area has been developed at this point. That leaves more possibilities open.

I can understand the arguments against Lot D and Lot C. If the area north of the Qwest Center hadn't already been developed (condos, Gallup, etc.) the city could build there (and it could have been beautiful).

But as Rick said, those private investments were done at a time when few were willing to risk capital on that part of Omaha.

So I don't know. It'll be fascinating to see what they come up with.
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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
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Posted - 01/16/2008 :  9:00:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bigredmed

The nice thing about this land is it's proximity to the hotels and InPlay north of Cuming street. It would also leave all the lot C and D parking for a Dingerville redux. (Something that I feel strongly that Omaha should insist upon restarting, given the number of fans who like the atmosphere and drive their RV's up and start cooking cajun food, and the number of fans from here that like it.) Lots C and D also could be used for VIP parking so the money grubbing NCAA could suck some more profit out of the event.

The other nice thing about this is that if you oriented the stadium so that home plate was toward the river, the shot the tv cameras would have in the night game would be Omaha's increasingly pretty skyline.


Which ever lot would be chosen for the stadium, the other would be available for parking. In fact, I expect that if a stadium is built adjacent to the Qwest Center (i.e. within a few blocks), Lot B will be replaced with a parking garage.

As for the alignment of home plate, the only way that home plate will face the downtown skyline is if you place the stadium west of 20th street. Ballparks must generally face east so that the sun isn't in batters eyes. A stadium in north downtown will face southeast; that's one of the reasons Lot D is superior. You'll get the view of the new bridge.

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mavaholic
Sophomore Mav

USA
342 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2008 :  9:41:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They can knock over the swanson's factory building for a bunch of parking!

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Greg S
All-Star Mav

4101 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  11:10:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It will be interesting what happens with the Swanson landing. I'm confused on the parking being such an issue. If additional paking is needed, just build up. I agree that Lot B would be the place to do it.

Greg
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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  11:29:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe this all goes back to Hal Daub, and this is all just petty politics. Daub views the Qwest Center as the crown jewel of accomplishment of his administration, and he doesn't want to see his accomplishment trumped by the new stadium and a 20 year contract for the CWS. And so he is using MECA because (a) he doesn't want to be one-upped and (b) he hates the fact that he got thrown out of office by Fahey.

So we have silly little objections over parking (build a garage) and expansion of an underperforming and underutilized convention center, all because a petty bitter man is once again seeking revenge.

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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  12:25:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by West O Mike

quote:

Ballparks must generally face east so that the sun isn't in batters eyes.



Mostly true. (Unless you're the idiot who designed Roddy Field in Bellevue, which of course faces Northwest and nearly kills about 30 people a year).

Parks were designed so that the players with the least chance of getting a ball hit at them has the sun in their face. In this case, that is the right side of the infield. However, they are seldom built facing directly east. (that would blind everybody). It's usually to the Northeast...even high school fields.

You're correct about Lot D. I can't imagine them building a park downtown and NOT having the skyline in view from behind the plate. That limits where they can put it. (And yes, the more I think about it, the more idiotic the Civic site would be.)


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U!N!O!

10827 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  3:59:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First off, it isn't like we're Chicago or New York here...

When I was at the Summer Arts Festival last summer, I heard some College World Series attendees say, "so this is downtown Omaha?" (following by snickers and giggles).

The downtown skyline is basically two buildings -- the Woodmen Tower and the First National Bank Tower.

I think people are picking nits. As long as it is new and secures a 20-year deal, what does it matter where it is parked...or what is in the background...

It'll be a beautiful ballpark regardless.
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tjelf
Bunner, man

2055 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  4:09:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJMav


Parks were designed so that the players with the least chance of getting a ball hit at them has the sun in their face. In this case, that is the right side of the infield. However, they are seldom built facing directly east. (that would blind everybody). It's usually to the Northeast...even high school fields.




This is also where the term "southpaw" came from. The left arm would be on the "south" side of the pitcher when he faced home plate. Well, approximately. But close enough.

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Hoffin205
Senior Mav

USA
1263 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  7:09:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
MLB Rule 1.04
1.04
THE PLAYING FIELD. The field shall be laid out according to the instructions below, ... It is desirable that the line from home base through the pitchers plate to second base shall run East-Northeast ...

DBF
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2008 :  8:32:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well there ya go.

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UNOMav
Aiming for #1

British Indian Ocean Territories
964 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2008 :  1:01:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The plans I have seen show the stadium basically straight east, so it wouldn't take much redesign to shift it 45 degrees to make it ENE.

There is no way of getting a skyline view unless the stadium is built west of 21st St, which is too far from the Riverfront. Unless you want to face stadium to the west...

And Dingerville isn't coming back...land is too valuable for it. Unless a private property owner wants to create it...which probably wouldn't the best economical use of land in NoDo. Besides I think the casinos have basically taken over that market for next to zero costs to the RV owner.

Still aiming for #1.
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2008 :  07:17:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wish I made enough money to buy a $80,000 RV....take 3 weeks off of work to basically party and bar-b-que...and then b*tch to no end when I get asked to move to a parking lot to where I take up 6 spaces.

That would really suck.

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CaseyMav
#10

Botswana
2337 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2008 :  08:18:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJMav

I wish I made enough money to buy a $80,000 RV....take 3 weeks off of work to basically party and bar-b-que...and then b*tch to no end when I get asked to move to a parking lot to where I take up 6 spaces.

That would really suck.



I'm with you on this one, AJ. Dingerville was fine when it was confined to that little patch of grass between the stadium and Zesto's. Then it got out of control, a whole lot less "quaint" and more like a Hooverville. Bleah.

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Prime Rib
Junior Mav

USA
851 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  11:31:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could tell you what I was told on the subject yesterday, but then I'd be fired.
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Bigredmed
Senior Mav

1574 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  2:51:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Prime Rib

I could tell you what I was told on the subject yesterday, but then I'd be fired.



So do we get a prize if we guess correctly?
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BIGHUSKERMAV
Senior Mav

1631 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  7:19:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Prime Rib

I could tell you what I was told on the subject yesterday, but then I'd be fired.



Then why even post this?
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Mojo325is
McQueen...

Brazil
1654 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2008 :  08:47:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BIGHUSKERMAV

quote:
Originally posted by Prime Rib

I could tell you what I was told on the subject yesterday, but then I'd be fired.



Then why even post this?



Amen.

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MavEconomist
Junior Mav

Tonga
585 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2008 :  3:58:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was probably this: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10238897

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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/22/2008 :  7:09:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's spine-tingling stuff ya got there.

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Prime Rib
Junior Mav

USA
851 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  07:13:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Much more elaborate than that.
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Mojo325is
McQueen...

Brazil
1654 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  08:56:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Prime Rib

Much more elaborate than that.


You know, Boehm pulled this stunt a few years ago and it didn't work. I'd advise you of the old adage, if you've got nothing to say, don't say anything at all.

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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  12:49:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can I get a big "WTF"?
quote:
A contingent of Omaha state senators introduced legislation today to spend up to $20 million in state money to help rebuild or renovate Rosenblatt Stadium.

State Sen. John Synowiecki, whose district includes south Omaha, introduced the bill on the Legislature's last day for new bills. Under the bill, $20 million would come from the state's cash reserve fund. Omaha would be required to provide a $60 million match in order to obtain the full $20 million.

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Synowiecki said he offered the Nebraska Sports Tourism Advantage Act because the state has a direct and substantial interest in keeping the College World Series in Omaha.

"A new stadium at the Civic Auditorium or the Qwest Center would require millions of dollars worth of infrastructure improvements, burdening both the city and the state," Synowiecki said. "We have a duty to look out for the taxpayers of the City of Omaha and the state."

The bill would require a 3 to 1 match from Omaha and the state. For example, if Omaha provided $30 million to renovate Rosenblatt, the state would provide $10 million.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10239700

OK, so now the state legislature is trying to bribe the city to ignore the NCAA's demands? The Rosenblatt boondoggle just got a huge bump.

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MavEconomist
Junior Mav

Tonga
585 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  12:57:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He's just trying to get re-elected. He knows full well that Omaha won't raise that much money only to renovate Rosenblatt, so the state won't be out money but he'll have something to tout for votes.

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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  1:57:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Damnit....Mike scoops me again.

I second the ridiculousness and idiotic selfishness of the members of the unicam.

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Mojo325is
McQueen...

Brazil
1654 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  2:06:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJMav

Damnit....Mike scoops me again.

I second the ridiculousness and idiotic selfishness of the members of the unicam.

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ie: the 'Hannah Montana' bills presented.

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admin
U!N!O!

10827 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  2:39:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Ashford said the Omaha senators are not trying to interfere with the baseball committee. He said it's possible that the bill could be amended later to put state money toward a downtown stadium.
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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  3:15:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Then why put the "rebuild or renovate" part in? The story has been updated since I posted my first snippet.


The way it's currently written, 1620 the Zone says that Creighton could use it to pay for renovating their campus stadium.

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admin
U!N!O!

10827 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  3:32:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ooohh...

Maybe we could use it to renovate the Civic Auditorium!
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  3:38:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hell, let's just rebuild the Brandies building downtown.

Why not.

Retro is in apparently.

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