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admin
U!N!O!

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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  09:57:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NCAA puts out feelers...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10165274
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dartben
Sophomore Mav

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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  11:57:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by admin

NCAA puts out feelers...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10165274



I don't think it's that the NCAA put out feelers. It's more that they listed the 2011 CWS without Omaha as host. The OWH ran with it and talked to representatives from the other cities who would be likely to try to steal it, should Omaha screw the pooch, so to speak.
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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
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Posted - 10/24/2007 :  12:44:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://cms.ibj.com/ASPXPages/6iframes/FrontEndArticlesDetailPage.aspx?ArticleID=06336&NoFrame=1
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"If the event became open for bid, we'd definitely be interested in taking a look," said Indiana Sports Corp. spokesman John Dedman. "It's a major NCAA championship with a very loyal following and a proven record of success."


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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  4:26:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10185927
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With a $60 million to $65 million makeover, Omaha can persuade the NCAA to keep the College World Series at Rosenblatt Stadium for at least another five years, members of the Save Rosenblatt Committee said today.


$60 to $65 million for a five year commitment, vs. $95-$115 million for a 20 year commitment?

quote:
Save Rosenblatt's proposal does not address the NCAA request for nearby hotels or more skyboxes.


Send the wrecking ball to 13th & Bert Murphy then. End of discussion. When do we start construction downtown?

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MavBridget
The Girl Wonder

France
6424 Posts

Posted - 11/15/2007 :  5:05:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Went to the Omaha Press Club Noon Forum on Tuesday with Mayor Fahey talking about this topic -- one of the more interesting points was that the funding mechanism for the new baseball stadium *may* also include $$ to pay off part or all of the Qwest Center....
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BIGHUSKERMAV
Senior Mav

1631 Posts

Posted - 11/15/2007 :  5:40:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by West O Mike

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10185927
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With a $60 million to $65 million makeover, Omaha can persuade the NCAA to keep the College World Series at Rosenblatt Stadium for at least another five years, members of the Save Rosenblatt Committee said today.


$60 to $65 million for a five year commitment, vs. $95-$115 million for a 20 year commitment?



Yup, not a hard choice, especially when you consider the fact that you're paying $65 million for a band-aid fix. After those 5 years are up, the NCAA is still going to want a new stadium in the near future.
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UNOMav
Aiming for #1

British Indian Ocean Territories
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  7:58:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BTW...the 60-65 mill investment doesnt' include one of the big things the NCAA wants...many hotel rooms within walking distance.

I am not sure if Fahey showed the conceptual drawing of the stadium north of the Q...but it is friggin' awesome. It ties in with the ped bridge...pretty sweet. Huge areas for a fan fest type activities.

There is no way anyone can make a legit argument that the Rosenblatt site is the best for the long term viability of the CWS in Omaha. The downtown sites have things that Rosenblatt will never have that the NCAA wants. Add to that the untapped potential of the Rosenblatt site if the stadium is tore down. And I am not talking exclusively about the zoo.

Still aiming for #1.
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hackermav
Minister of Antagonism

1039 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2007 :  08:30:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
$60 to $65 million for a five year commitment, vs. $95-$115 million for a 20 year commitment?


I thought that alluded to an additional 5 years or 10 years total.

Not that it matters to me though. It would be best for everyone to just build anew.
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MavRick
A Better Fan Than You

USA
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Posted - 11/16/2007 :  10:54:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Save Rosenblatt just lost themselves the argument. I might have been a touch sentimental about the old place, but this is just dumb.



"Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard." Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, Supreme Court of the United States (1943)
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mavaholic
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USA
342 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2007 :  10:58:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick, I totally agree. I was laughing out loud as read the article on this. They basically said, let's spend over half the money and still have nothing guaranteed. I originally wanted to maintain Rosenblatt out of sentimental reasons. When you add common sense and planning for the future to the equation, Rosenblatt just doesn't cut it.

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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2007 :  11:20:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can we save the Civic too while we're at it?

God I miss that place.
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Section 14
E.M.F.H

1875 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2007 :  2:52:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So we can put a new set of tires on our old car and give it a paint job for $65 million and this will buy us five years, or we could buy a new car for about $100 million getting us 20 years guaranteed. Why are we still giving these idiots teh time of day?

Rosenblatt is not Yankee Stadium, Tiger Stadium, Fenway, Wrigley, etc. If Yankee Stadium, Tiger Stadium, and others can be replaced, then Johnny Rosenblatt can definitely go.

I could care less about a bunch of people who will lose tax-free income for renting out their lawn.

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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 01/11/2008 :  08:10:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like they are concentrating on the northwest parking lot (lot "C").

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10229381&u_rss=1&

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The baseball stadium review committee is focusing its discussions on the parking lot northwest of the Qwest Center Omaha as the downtown option for the College World Series.

The site, known as Lot C, is currently getting the most attention from the committee, according to three people who are knowledgeable about the committee's discussions.

I still think Lot "D" makes the most sense.

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Greg S
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Posted - 01/11/2008 :  10:43:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I kind of like C because it's a little closer to NoDo and the hotels but still close to the river. I do like keeping D available for expansion of the convention center if needed.

Greg
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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
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Posted - 01/11/2008 :  11:28:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There still will be a lot of room to the north and east of the convention center should that need to be expanded. I think that argument is a red herring.

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Greg S
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Posted - 01/11/2008 :  12:14:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought Lot D was the one to the north?
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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
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Posted - 01/11/2008 :  12:54:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is... but the drawing I saw showed nearly a full city block between the north end of the convention center and the outfield stands of the new ball park. You wouldn't be able to double the size of the convention center, but you could certainly expand it. Though looking at Google Maps, there isn't the room on the east side I thought there was.

And considering the fact that the convention center has been the side struggling of the whole operation, talk of expansion seems rather silly.

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Greg S
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Posted - 01/11/2008 :  1:20:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree on the expansion, but hopefully an expansion may be needed way down the line.

I still wish the stadium was going up near Slowdown but obviously that idea is completely gone.

Greg
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Mojo325is
McQueen...

Brazil
1654 Posts

Posted - 01/11/2008 :  1:53:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by West O Mike

It is... but the drawing I saw showed nearly a full city block between the north end of the convention center and the outfield stands of the new ball park. You wouldn't be able to double the size of the convention center, but you could certainly expand it. Though looking at Google Maps, there isn't the room on the east side I thought there was.

And considering the fact that the convention center has been the side struggling of the whole operation, talk of expansion seems rather silly.

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I think we all know why the convention center is failing.

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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
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Posted - 01/15/2008 :  1:13:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now MECA decides they don't like Lot C either...
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10232947
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David Sokol, chairman of the board that runs the Qwest Center Omaha, quit Mayor Mike Fahey's baseball stadium review committee today in a dispute over a possible downtown location for a new ballpark.

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Board members, including Sokol, have said the Lot D plan would hem in any future expansion of the convention center and would take up valuable parking.

Some MECA board members have also expressed concerns about a new stadium on Lot C becuase[sp] it would take up parking space. Lot C is west of 10th Street between Webster and Cuming Streets. If that site was chosen, the city may have to close 12th Street.



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MavEconomist
Junior Mav

Tonga
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Posted - 01/15/2008 :  1:42:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the MECA board is appointed by the mayor and city council, why doesn't somebody step up and give us an actually competent board?

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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
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Posted - 01/15/2008 :  2:13:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or maybe this means the stadium is going back into Lot D where it belongs. Build a parking garage on lot C. Just get this thing done.

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The Basement
Inconceivable!

Italy
870 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2008 :  3:47:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by West O Mike

Or maybe this means the stadium is going back into Lot D where it belongs. Build a parking garage on lot C. Just get this thing done.

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Ever since the began talking about a new stadium, my thought has alwasy been to put it on the UP property.
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2008 :  7:33:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is way too much posturing going on right now..especially with Sokol leaving.

Somebody better get this done, because I've been telling you for 10 years now....the NCAA will pistol whip you in 3 seconds and not think twice about it.

PS - Let the record show that this is playing out exactly as I predicted back at the beginning of this thread. As soon as the NCAA gets word that hte city MAY build a new stadium...the mind games will begin.

Right on cue....


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UNOMav
Aiming for #1

British Indian Ocean Territories
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Posted - 01/15/2008 :  7:52:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The NCAA has already asked for a new stadium with particular amenities. The question is now...where to build it? From my impression it is 1) Lot D, 2) Lot C, 3)everything else. The UP site might be too far north.

The Lot C option would probably require the closing of 12 St because Lot C is too small by itself.



Still aiming for #1.
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2008 :  8:16:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately it's too late..but where Gallop sits now would have been absolutely perfect. Then again, that would have required proactive action about 10 years ago.

Hey wait a second......

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MavRick
A Better Fan Than You

USA
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Posted - 01/16/2008 :  11:34:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gallup's a pretty awesome corporate citizen and took a huge risk. I wouldn't have made the trade 10 years ago.



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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2008 :  12:04:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not saying that's the case Rick. I'm just saying they would have still would have been an awesome corporate citizen if they would have moved up river a bit. That's all.

Moot point now, but yes..your point is taken.

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The Basement
Inconceivable!

Italy
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Posted - 01/16/2008 :  1:37:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by UNOMav

The UP site might be too far north.



It is directly across the street from lot D.
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UNOMav
Aiming for #1

British Indian Ocean Territories
964 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2008 :  1:53:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most of the true UP site that would be used for the stadium is 600 feet north of the Cuming Street on the north side of Lot D. Much of what the OWH says is the UP site, along 11th Street isn't owned by UP.

I guess my feeling is that once you get north of Cuming it starts to distance itself from the rest of the riverfront and the ped bridge.

The UP site isn't horrible, like the Civic site, but it isn't the best.

Still aiming for #1.
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