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Greg S
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:27:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The owners do well. But remember all of those things I mentioned pay at least sales tax, not to mention the extra ones we tack on for hotel and car rental. Plus you've got the people that work in the stores, restaraunts, hotels, airport, rental care agencies, gas stations, casino's, etc.

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nousefouraname
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:34:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if we can't afford to run the city without being held hostage by the NCAA and one 2 week event each year, considering Nebraskas status as a highly taxed state already, this city has more problems than I thought.
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dartben
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:55:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nousefouraname

if we can't afford to run the city without being held hostage by the NCAA and one 2 week event each year, considering Nebraskas status as a highly taxed state already, this city has more problems than I thought.



We can afford to run it without the CWS, by why would we want to, especially when it does bring that much money into the local economy?

And are you really going to argue the Qwest Center has been a bad thing for the city?
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nousefouraname
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  3:19:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dartben

quote:
Originally posted by nousefouraname

if we can't afford to run the city without being held hostage by the NCAA and one 2 week event each year, considering Nebraskas status as a highly taxed state already, this city has more problems than I thought.



We can afford to run it without the CWS, by why would we want to, especially when it does bring that much money into the local economy?

And are you really going to argue the Qwest Center has been a bad thing for the city?



It hasn't been a bad thing for the city. It's brought quite a bit of entertainment; however, the promise was that it was supposed to be paid for without property taxes. That was an obvious lie.

Now, the baseball stadium that's going to sit empty for most of the year is promised not to be paid for with property taxes. Why should we believe that isn't a lie too.

Also, there won't be nearly as many people profiting or even using the baseball stadium. Why should they be responsible for paying for it through property taxes. It's all but a guarantee at this point.

Don't you think you pay enough taxes? Why should you have to pay more taxes so that a few select individuals can make out like bandits with the new stadium. It's not fair. It's an unpopular stadium that was thrown on to the people without their consent and now it looks like the get to pay for it too.

Only in america.
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Greg S
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Posted - 07/24/2009 :  3:57:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We'll have to wait and see. I definitely think it's a better investment than continually throwing money at Rosenblatt (which even with renovations was going to sit empty as well, the Royals have made it clear that they were not going to stay there long term). To me at least, the financials on the DT stadium are a lot more solid than Qwest. Who are the people that you claim are making all of the money at Qwest? The same people that donated/privately raised $75 million to build it?

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dartben
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Posted - 07/25/2009 :  1:48:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nousefouraname

It's an unpopular stadium that was thrown on to the people without their consent and now it looks like the get to pay for it too.

Only in america.



No, it's a stadium that got approved despite the efforts of a very vocal but insignificant minority.

The economic impact of the CWS is widespread. More to the point, the sole benefit is not merely economic. Public welfare/quality of life/having things to do in a city are all ompletely valid reasons for building this using public money.

You sound like a very bitter person who wants to cut off your nose to spite your face. If the city were run by people lke you, we'd simply be a crappy version of Albany, NY or Boise, ID.
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buetane
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Iceland
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Posted - 07/26/2009 :  08:47:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree he sounds a bit bitter but it also sounds like you're saying the same thing. He says it's an unpopular stadium thrown on to the people and you say it's a stadium approved despite the efforts of vocal people and the fact that it was approved despite any sort of disagreement from vocal people makes it "thrown onto us" and "unpopular" in some sense.

You don't sound as bitter, but bitter to a lesser degree in the opposite direction. I wouldn't call you bitter though because you just have an opinion, and if having an opinion makes one bitter, then we're all bitter.

I agree that the CWS deal was good for the city. I'm not in retail or whatever but the visitors and national recognition is important too and of course the tax revenue created by those visitors that whoever pointed out. I guess when I think about it, am I happy about property taxes going up, well no. But do I want the CWS to leave or to not get to go to Metallica concerts if we didn't have the Qwest, no. So it's tough. I'm afraid Nouse may be right but I guess I'm the type of person that doesn't lose sleep over a few tax dollars, especially for something I'm going to enjoy. Does it make me naive to think that or to think there's not much I can do about it? Perhaps. But I don't lose sleep over that either.

What's with Albany or Boise? Something wrong there?
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nousefouraname
All-Star Mav

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Posted - 07/26/2009 :  12:04:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by buetane

I agree he sounds a bit bitter but it also sounds like you're saying the same thing. He says it's an unpopular stadium thrown on to the people and you say it's a stadium approved despite the efforts of vocal people and the fact that it was approved despite any sort of disagreement from vocal people makes it "thrown onto us" and "unpopular" in some sense.

You don't sound as bitter, but bitter to a lesser degree in the opposite direction. I wouldn't call you bitter though because you just have an opinion, and if having an opinion makes one bitter, then we're all bitter.

I agree that the CWS deal was good for the city. I'm not in retail or whatever but the visitors and national recognition is important too and of course the tax revenue created by those visitors that whoever pointed out. I guess when I think about it, am I happy about property taxes going up, well no. But do I want the CWS to leave or to not get to go to Metallica concerts if we didn't have the Qwest, no. So it's tough. I'm afraid Nouse may be right but I guess I'm the type of person that doesn't lose sleep over a few tax dollars, especially for something I'm going to enjoy. Does it make me naive to think that or to think there's not much I can do about it? Perhaps. But I don't lose sleep over that either.

What's with Albany or Boise? Something wrong there?



I'm bitter because of the way things are constantly misrepresented in Omaha. Although, that's a universal thing and not limited to omaha. Still, it often appears that Omaha has a serious problem getting its house in order (sewer issue, deficits, police and fire, etc.)

Luckily, I'm not too bitter because I don't have to pay for it. I am fortunate enough to live in Sarpy county. Of course, we will soon have our own stadium to pay for that many didn't want.

If you'd have liked to see me really bitter, that would have happened if the mayor was stupid enough to enact that "residency tax" on people working in omaha but living in sarpy. that was a moronic idea, but luckily it was doomed from the start. I could only imagine the lawsuits that would have followed if that had been a part of the mayors proposal.
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nousefouraname
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2307 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2009 :  4:39:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
got an invitation to the groundbreaking in the mail today. 6pm on august 12th with a post-ceremony reception at the nebraska brewing company at shadow lake. I'm thinking of going.
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nousefouraname
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Posted - 08/13/2009 :  12:11:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
did anyone go to the groundbreaking last night in sarpy? did they have actual renderings or anything like that for the ballpark?
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  12:33:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think the Qwest has been bad for the city..although you have to admit that they lost a LOT of steam with concerts etc once Des Moines and Kansas City opened up. Regardless, the Civic was/is a dump, and something had to be done.

On the baseball front, same thing goes with Rosenblatt. you know my views on this...granted, it came 10 years and 200 million bucks too late..but whatever, it had to be done.

No the REAL PURE evil in this whole mess is MECA.

MECA is without a doubt the absolute worst thing to happen to Omaha in the past 25 years. Worse than AkSarBen shutting down...Worse sewer and Police pensions....THE ABSOLUTE WORST.

Why?

Because now, MECA is single-handedly adding..in a BIG way, the actual distruction of Omaha. OK, sure...you saved the CWS and Green Day is in concert tonight. (Which I'm going to and can't wait.) But now that the Royals are in Sarpy County...along with malls etc down there...why do Sarpy County residents....a HUGE SUM of people...have ANY reason to even come to Omaha, other than the 2 weeks a year during the CWS? The city is closing pools in July, they're cutting police, fire and everything else under the sun....yet a ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE MILLION dollar stadium is being built for TWO...yes TWO WEEKS a year?!?!

THIS is what happens when you give groups like MECA complete control. THIS is what happens when you go into the voting booth and say, "Screw Hal Daub...I'm going to vote for this other guy." What was once a thriving city with great vision, is now being driven deep into the holy bowels of hell, and the train is being driven by Roger Dixon, David Sokol and all of those men put in charge with absolutely NO ONE to hold them accountable for ANYTHING. I don't know when the whole thing fell apart, but it has done some quickly, and in an almost spectacular fashion.

Oh well..at least they annexed Elkhorn..that should stop the financial bleeding.

Other than the Zoo...I can't think of ONE THING in Omaha that has gotten BETTER since MECA was formed. NOT...ONE...THING.

They've destroyed NoDo, they've brought in events for special intrest groups (ie Creighton season ticket holders) and now they're one of the top contributors to the ultimate death of Omaha.

Congratulations MECA.
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brad
Senior Mav

USA
1141 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  12:34:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nousefouraname

did anyone go to the groundbreaking last night in sarpy? did they have actual renderings or anything like that for the ballpark?



I did, here is the rendering. I have photos coming later.


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brad
Senior Mav

USA
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Posted - 08/13/2009 :  1:41:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way. Do you want my TD Aeritrade Stadium update photos in this thread or a new one?

Omaha Photos and more @ www.bradwilliamsphotography.com
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  2:07:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The scoreboard alone in that drawing would cost $800,000.

If Buffett opens his wallet..then no problem. Other than that, it's probably hard to see if the light standards in the outfield are made of used radio tower materials and the lights are actually burning piles of leaves.
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brad
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USA
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Posted - 08/13/2009 :  2:21:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently they have 2/3 of the funding. The leaves less than $10 which in the grand scheme if things is not much.

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buetane
All-Star Mav

Iceland
2568 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  2:48:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since when did our new stadium go from figures I've heard of 125-140 million to more than 180 or up to 200 million?
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brad
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USA
1141 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  3:03:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by buetane

Since when did our new stadium go from figures I've heard of 125-140 million to more than 180 or up to 200 million?



They have not been updating the website either... www.omahastadium.com

I also heard, to save money they are going to re-use the video screen from Rosenblatt, you know the one thats broken all the time!


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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2009 :  4:56:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by buetane

Since when did our new stadium go from figures I've heard of 125-140 million to more than 180 or up to 200 million?


As far as I know...it hasn't.

Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
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Greg S
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Posted - 08/13/2009 :  5:00:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As far as I know the new DT stadium will come in right on budget.

I did read somewhere (I believe the OWH) that fairly new video board at the 'blatt might not fit in with the design of TD Ameritrade so that scoreboard might go elsewhere.

Greg
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nousefouraname
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Posted - 08/13/2009 :  6:03:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the board will be 5 years old by the time it makes its way downtown. In the life of a video board like that, it's at least half way to the scrap heap. When you combine that with the fact that it's going to cost some money to take it apart, cart it down 13th St., and reassemble it at the new ballpark, it doesn't seem like a great idea.
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buetane
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Iceland
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Posted - 08/14/2009 :  09:30:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As far as I knew the figures hadn't changed, just curious where AJ's coming up with $200M. Or a figure as specific as ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE MILLION.
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2009 :  11:33:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never said 200 million. (If I did..sorry)

Everything I've read says 150 million for the stadium, and 35 million for the municipal development. (Sewers, roads etc)

That's 185 million. Regardless....it's too much f*cking money to have a stadium sit there empty 50 weeks a year, minus a couple of March Creighton vs. Drake baseball games on a Wednesday afternoon.

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buetane
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Iceland
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Posted - 08/14/2009 :  2:35:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[\serious]Alright, hadn't heard the "municipal development" bit. Thanks for the clarification. [serious]
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West O Mike
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Christmas Island
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Posted - 08/14/2009 :  9:04:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've heard people mention that sewer/roads/etc. discussion, and I've never understood it. They haven't done that much work downtown, other than add a lane along 13th and 14th Street.

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Greg S
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  08:50:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The sewer work DT was planned long before the stadium.

Greg
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West O Mike
All-Star Mav

Christmas Island
5308 Posts

Posted - 08/17/2009 :  06:58:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...and that sewer work is independent of the stadium; needed to happen even if the stadium needed to be done.

As far as the benefits of the new downtown stadium go, allowing the zoo to expand (and serve even more people during the CWS since they'll have usable parking) is another benefit.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20090817/MONEY/708179976

quote:
Nearly 1.4 million people visited the zoo last year. About 12.5 percent came from outside the Omaha metropolitan area.

Pate said that is especially good for the city, because the visitors create tax revenue without increasing costs.

“That's terrific because you don't have to add police, you don't have to build more sidewalks, you don't have to build more schools,” he said.

The zoo's economic impact included $31.3 million in labor income paid to nearly 1,200 workers employed either by the zoo or other Omaha businesses, according to the study.


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Hoffin205
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USA
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Posted - 08/17/2009 :  8:10:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like the artist drawing ... lots of parking spaces and plenty of people leaving while the game is still going ... must not have been a good Independant League game.

DBF
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nousefouraname
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Posted - 08/18/2009 :  08:13:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you must be mistaken, the independant league will be playing downtown. for a couple of years anyway until they make like the racers and knights.
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AJMav
Minister of Anger

Iran
4503 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2009 :  10:36:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I kind of want the indy league to move into that stadium, if for no other reason that people will/should see the difference between the quality of baseball there and the AAA level.

Think of it this way....if you put the Omaha Beef players up against the New England Patriots...you still wouldn't have as big of a divide as there is between the Indpendent Leagues and the Majors.

It's that bad.

Just sayin.
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MavBridget
The Girl Wonder

France
6424 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2009 :  11:15:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
I like the artist drawing ... lots of parking spaces and plenty of people leaving while the game is still going ... must not have been a good Independant League game.



I think those are the people who are just arriving to the game, since they couldn't find a parking space.
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