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Posted - 04/15/2008 :  11:44:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think it is worth spending taxpayer money on a recall when the mayor and city council are up for election one year from now.

I also don't think we need to summarily make disparaging remarks about the citizens in South Omaha.

Someday, I'd like to represent the South Omaha district (where I live) in the Omaha City Council.

There are many unique challenges facing this district. The economic impact the CWS brings into that part of the city helps to keep it viable. I'd argue that is part of the reason South Omaha hasn't turned into North Omaha. Because of the CWS, many investors have purchased property over the years in that corridor of the city. That one event can keep eating establishments like Zesto's or Big Horn Mountain BBQ viable throughout the rest of the year. That increases overall property values and can keep the area "nice."

Businesses and property owners in NoDo (or whatever you want to call it) already benefit from the Qwest Center Omaha. We all understand the reasons for putting the baseball stadium there, but it is essentially a case of "the rich getting richer." And while it might improve parts of North Omaha, parts of South Omaha might fall into decline.

Ed wrote the following:

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The zoo is basically self contained. Parking, food, souvenirs, and exhibits take place all on zoo property, with no direct 'cash spillover' for local residents.


Ed is correct. The zoo in Omaha is wonderful, but it is essentially a destination unto itself. I think spillover effect is minimal. And as gas prices increase (and NE gas taxes increase), the number of Suburbans carrying families to the zoo decreases too.

Expansion of the zoo -- and the addition of some sort of destination hotel -- could provide more jobs to people in the area (albeit, minimum wage types of positions), but it simply won't have the impact that hundreds of thousands of people attending the CWS can have on local businesses in the immediate vicinity.

The improvements in downtown are sight to behold. I think we all enjoy watching the renewal of that part of Omaha.

But what are our civic leaders planning to do to help the South O businesses that benefit from the CWS every year? There's a slew of businesses along 13th St. (north and south of the interstate) that benefit from that event.

We talk about "economic impact" as if it is some sort of stipend that we all get in the mail each year after the CWS. As Ed noted, the impact of many civic projects isn't measured in a few years, but rather decades.

I realize some people in the western parts of this city don't care about urban decay and retail "ghost towns" in the eastern parts of our city, but it is something that is important to the health of Omaha.

And if you're going to yank an event like the CWS out of South Omaha, you had better have a plan for how you're going to fill the void in that part of the city.

All of us agree that the downtown baseball stadium will be beautiful. But we also must be sensitive to the needs of the residents, property owners and merchants in South Omaha. Many of those folks have worked hard to keep that corridor of the city viable.
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MavRick
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  06:50:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the argument for keeping the CWS on Bert Murphy Drive is Zesto's beneficial effect on property taxes - and may I say, it doesn't appear anybody has put a dime's worth of paint on that place since Eisenhower - I don't think that's the winner. The Zoo employs hundreds of people year round. The lodging dollars weren't being spent in South O; I can't imagine a meaningful fragment of the drinking and eating dollars were spent there either. So I think we're down to talking about yard parking, and while I suppose there are people whose entire economic plans for the year are based on that, I have to imagine there are people who avoid the area for the same reason. It's not obvious to me that the yard-parking industry has made that neighborhood a great one. South 24th is a much better example of a thriving South O neighborhood.

I believe - more than the next guy - in preservation of existing neighborhoods, and if preserving and expanding Nebraska's - seriously - number one tourist destination in the neighborhood isn't enough, I am not sure what else to do.

Remember also that several dozen houses in the neighborhood were going to be blown away if the Series were going to be held there after 2010. So the "void" to which Jon refers could well be an open stretch of lawn on 13th from the interstate south to the schoolhouse.



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AJMav
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  08:28:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by admin


I also don't think we need to summarily make disparaging remarks about the citizens in South Omaha.




Ahhh, but blasting West Omaha on a daily basis is OK? (And it happens here and pretty much everywhere else.) I'm all for respecting the rights and property of those who live near the stadium. But when you go on TV, blather on the radio and dress your city councilman up like a walking billboard, you lose your credibility from me.

It's blatantly obvious why these people want the stadium to stay. They want the revenue. If they "loved Rosenblatt" so much, they'd be filling the place during Royals games as well...which they certainly are not. Plus, aren't these the same people who tried to get the games to stop at 10pm and install a stadium curfew back in the mid 90's? (Not coincidentally during a time when parking on lawns wasn't exactly en vogue and quaint as it is today)

I have a LOT of friends from South Omaha...both past and current. But this goes beyond South O. This is about greed and personal gain.

Nothing more.

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hackermav
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  08:32:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Ed is correct. The zoo in Omaha is wonderful, but it is essentially a destination unto itself. I think spillover effect is minimal. And as gas prices increase (and NE gas taxes increase), the number of Suburbans carrying families to the zoo decreases too.



I have to disagree wholeheartedly, the Zoo is a local, cheap, and wonderful form of entertainment. Gas prices this high keep people from going to places like Minneapolis, Chicago, and KC, not from driving downtown to the Zoo.

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But what are our civic leaders planning to do to help the South O businesses that benefit from the CWS every year? There's a slew of businesses along 13th St. (north and south of the interstate) that benefit from that event.


What businesses? McDonald's and King Kong? If the City council seriously ever decided that to make policy and tax decisions because of the economic impact on King Kong and McD's then I am out of this friggin' town.

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And if you're going to yank an event like the CWS out of South Omaha, you had better have a plan for how you're going to fill the void in that part of the city.


Why? South O doesn't support the current 'void-filler' the Omaha Royals now.
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West O Mike
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  10:18:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by hackermav

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Ed is correct. The zoo in Omaha is wonderful, but it is essentially a destination unto itself. I think spillover effect is minimal. And as gas prices increase (and NE gas taxes increase), the number of Suburbans carrying families to the zoo decreases too.



I have to disagree wholeheartedly, the Zoo is a local, cheap, and wonderful form of entertainment. Gas prices this high keep people from going to places like Minneapolis, Chicago, and KC, not from driving downtown to the Zoo.

quote:
But what are our civic leaders planning to do to help the South O businesses that benefit from the CWS every year? There's a slew of businesses along 13th St. (north and south of the interstate) that benefit from that event.


What businesses? McDonald's and King Kong? If the City council seriously ever decided that to make policy and tax decisions because of the economic impact on King Kong and McD's then I am out of this friggin' town.

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And if you're going to yank an event like the CWS out of South Omaha, you had better have a plan for how you're going to fill the void in that part of the city.


Why? South O doesn't support the current 'void-filler' the Omaha Royals now.

Here's your proof of what does draw people to South Omaha.

Note what is happening INSIDE the stadium. Absolutely nothing. No fans, no players. It's totally empty.

But the lots are almost full. Everybody is at the zoo.

Don't you think that expanding the zoo towards 13th Street does far more for South Omaha does far more for that neighborhood than Rosenblatt does the other 50 weeks of the year?

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admin
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  11:59:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was merely attempting to find a "rationale" behind the motivation of some South Omaha residents.

I don't think statements like this...

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They don't have the internet in South O, can you hire someone in an airplane to drop leaflets with this printed on it? Attach a bag of Funyuns to it and they might read it.


...are particularly germaine to the conversation.

I had no particular problem with the "Save Rosenblatt" group trying to keep the event at Rosenblatt. Those citizens had a point of view -- and they wanted to express it. In a country like ours, you have the freedom to do that.

I also know a number of long-time CWS attendees (from all points in Omaha) who wanted to keep the event there.

The mayor didn't think that was realistic in the eyes of the NCAA, so he pursued a downtown stadium. I don't necessarily think that is "visionary" on his part, I think it was done more out of a fear of necessity.

Gregory Lyons -- the individual who started the recall effort -- isn't connected to the "Save Rosenblatt" folks and hasn't voted in the past several elections. He lives in Camelot Village Apartments on N. 94th St. -- hardly the "heart" of South Omaha.

As I said earlier, it is a waste of taxpayer resources to hold a special recall election when we'll be voting for the mayor and city council seats next spring.

But making broad generalizations about South Omaha -- and its residents -- is ridiculous.
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AJMav
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  12:39:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agree on the election. It's insane.

As for labeling South O....I agree it's not the entire point of the argument, but you have to admit that the Save Rosenblatt group seems to be speaking for Deer Park and the entire area. Their insane point of view....although they are entitled to have it by law....makes them a legit target of taunting and mockery.

Oh, and Mike's right about the Zoo too. They're getting the shaft out of this, as are (for the most part) the Royals...who....like it or not, draw about 150,000 more people per year than the CWS. (Granted they're locals..but still.)

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Greg S
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  3:32:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I missed it, how is the zoo getting the shaft?

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CaseyMav
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  4:09:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Greg S

I missed it, how is the zoo getting the shaft?



My guess would be the lost admissions from CWS attendees.

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EdT
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Posted - 04/16/2008 :  7:50:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The zoo is a wonderful facility. It is one of the best zoos in the entire nation. It draws a lot of people every day, not just for 2 weeks. But the zoo does not go out and give the people who live in South O 100-300 dollars (or more) a night for 10 days. Right now the CSW does, at least for those who rent out their yards.

And the zoo does not bring much money to local businesses there, because there aren't many local businesses. Other than Zesto's, most of the other restaurants are north of the interstate. So no large income growth. The zoo provides jobs. But you don't have to provide an 'I live in South Omaha' certificate to work there. I don't know the demographics, but I am willing to bet there are lots of non-South O people who work for the zoo. The zoo provides taxes and jobs, but it mainly benefits the entire city. Because there is no room to open restaurants and other entertainment places around it. This is one of the reasons given for moving the CWS. It probably is one of the reasons the Royals wanted to move to a new 9000 seat stadium, so that there are other 'draws' to help their attendance.

I am willing to bet that if most of you were PERSONALLY receiving a large sum of money for 2 weeks, all reported to the IRS of course, you would have no trouble with it moving away, so that you lose that money. And I am sure you would not want to keep the event near you, because although you personally are benefiting, the city would benefit more if a better location was found.

People vote their perceived best interest. They don't do long term analysis. Even if long term they will be better off with an expanded zoo, short term they lose money going directly to them. I don't think most of the people on this board are that different from those people.

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hackermav
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  08:52:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is the narrowmindedness that infuriates me about those in South O, Save Rosenblatt, and attempting to recall Fahey. Only thinking about one single aspect of one single situation will never get us (city of Omaha) moving in the right direction. We have to be proactive and do what is right for everyone. The facts of the entire situation show that.

It is like the statment Obama has caught flack over recently. People who are downtrodden or feel like they are being given the wrong side of a pointy stick for any number of reasons cling to their old beliefs and lash out at anyone and everyone as the reason for their troubles. The mindset needs to change. Time and change are inevitable.
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MavRick
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  10:18:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What he said. It appears the lawn-parking industry and some non-voting slacker are the "force" behind Recall Fahey. Let's hope they are embarrassed on petition turn-in day.



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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  12:26:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The recall effort is a waste of time.

Sadly, the mayor's office did a poor job handling this issue over the course of the past 12 months. Their PR strategy was woefully lacking from the outset. There is no reason the plan that was presented a couple of months ago couldn't have been crafted a year ago.

Unfortunately, they didn't do their homework ahead of time, so we had misfires like the proposal of a 9,000-seat stadium downtown (with trucked-in seats for the CWS), a 3% "entertainment" tax on restaurants, and a couple of nasty feuds over parking lots.

To an outside observer, it appeared that the mayor's office was taking a "shotgun" approach to the future of the CWS -- firing out random ideas and seeing what might stick.

The issue here is not one of Omaha benefitting from a new stadium. In the long run, Omaha will benefit. Most sports fans in the city are for it.

Rather, the conundrum here is the "manner" in which this issue was handled.

Before any public comments were made on this issue, the mayor's office should have formed a committee to study the issue, set a period of time for that study to take place, then presented their findings (in a press conference and on the web) to the people of Omaha. They could have done this in a very slick and professional manner from the outset.

But they didn't do that. Instead, we had 8 months of haranguing and haggling. We had to endure a turf war over city-owned (but MECA-controlled) parking lots. We had restaurant owners up in arms over 3% sales tax. And we had to deal with a number of people (including MECA chair David Sokol) suggesting that a refurbished Rosenblatt was "good enough."

That, my friends, is not a good way to win a public relations battle.

It is too bad, because I think the mayor is a good man -- who cares a great deal about the future of our city.
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West O Mike
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  12:55:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By all accounts, the city was still trying to figure out how to do a downtown stadium. Until March 2007, the plan was to bulldoze those houses along 10th street and spend $30 million at Rosenblatt. Then the NCAA came back and said "no".

I've read all of the accounts, and this whole project has been a rushed reaction to the NCAA throwing the city a curveball last winter. When you consider that Omaha went from nothing to new stadium approval in about 13 months, it's astonishing what has taken place. But by that same measure, it was a tough process that was played out in the public's eye. Restaurant tax, portable seats, etc. all came and went, and because of the end of year deadline, became public way too soon.

How long did the debate over the Qwest Center take? It was contentious too as I recall. And Hal Daub forced it to go north of I-480. The original committee called for it just west of the Old Market. Funny, but we don't remember that debate now.

In hindsight, I think everyone wishes a 2 to 3 year extension would have been proposed last spring to let this thing play out. But the mayor thought he could get this done...and you know what, he did. It wasn't a pretty process, but it's getting done. I'm going to give him a lot of credit for it; he took a five year process of getting this thing planned/approved/finalized and chopped it down to about 18 months.

It's a shame, in my opinion, that he probably won't be mayor when it opens. I really doubt he gets recalled, but I think he paid the ultimate price for this: his political career, as I don't see him getting re-elected after this is done. Too many hurt feelings have occurred, and he's angered a lot of people.

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Greg S
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  1:08:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree Fahey could have gone about it differently but Mike's right on the comparisions with Qwest.

Think about it. They were talking about building a new arena during the Boyle administration. I vaguely remember Campbell's being up in arms that the convention center/arena would force them to possibly close in downtown Omaha. Then PJ tried to get it going. He talked about a new one and I even remember there being talk of an expanded civic, or an expanded Ak Sar Ben (Ted Baer wanted this). Finally we got a refurbished Civic. Then things got pretty ugly on Qwest.

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hackermav
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  1:13:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Sadly, the mayor's office did a poor job handling this issue over the course of the past 12 months. Their PR strategy was woefully lacking from the outset. There is no reason the plan that was presented a couple of months ago couldn't have been crafted a year ago.

Unfortunately, they didn't do their homework ahead of time, so we had misfires like the proposal of a 9,000-seat stadium downtown (with trucked-in seats for the CWS), a 3% "entertainment" tax on restaurants, and a couple of nasty feuds over parking lots.

To an outside observer, it appeared that the mayor's office was taking a "shotgun" approach to the future of the CWS -- firing out random ideas and seeing what might stick.

The issue here is not one of Omaha benefitting from a new stadium. In the long run, Omaha will benefit. Most sports fans in the city are for it.

Rather, the conundrum here is the "manner" in which this issue was handled.

Before any public comments were made on this issue, the mayor's office should have formed a committee to study the issue, set a period of time for that study to take place, then presented their findings (in a press conference and on the web) to the people of Omaha. They could have done this in a very slick and professional manner from the outset.

But they didn't do that. Instead, we had 8 months of haranguing and haggling. We had to endure a turf war over city-owned (but MECA-controlled) parking lots. We had restaurant owners up in arms over 3% sales tax. And we had to deal with a number of people (including MECA chair David Sokol) suggesting that a refurbished Rosenblatt was "good enough."

That, my friends, is not a good way to win a public relations battle.

It is too bad, because I think the mayor is a good man -- who cares a great deal about the future of our city.


Would you have rather had it be a completely secret situation that was announced right before the bulldozers dug into Lot C and E? As I see it, the Mayor and the City have no requirement that they let the public know what they are doing because there is no 'public' money going into this thing. Would the uproar be larger than it is now (or was)?

I liken the last year to a meeting at any corporation. You have a bunch of people from different departments (Citizens, City, MECA, NCAA, State) get together to look at an idea someone came up with (Diesing). You start to throw out ideas of how this will work (9,000 seats, ORoyals, Creighton, Civic site). You have people bash those ideas (Recall Fahey, Save Rosenblatt, other taxpayers). Then once you get all of the facts laid out (NCAA wants this and that) versus the revenue and expenses to be in business (operate the CWS) you get an agreement from enough parties to make a business decision and then negotiate a contract based on everything above.

The only difference was that this was played out in public.
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admin
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  1:47:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The way this issue was handled doesn't even compare to the way the BuildItOmaha committee handled the convetion center/arena issue.

BuildItOmaha handled it in a professional manner with television commericials, fliers, stickers, advertisements and an online strategy. They had all of their ducks in a row since they knew it had to go to a vote.

Let's face it, Fahey's PR strategy was a failure from the outset.

When you are a political leader -- trying to sell any spending project -- you have to make sure you plan properly before you start making public pronouncements.

All they needed to say was: "The NCAA requires we build a new stadium in order to secure a long-term contract for the CWS. We are going to explore our options -- both at the current site and at Rosenblatt. We are today forming a committee that will study various funding options and locations over the next 90 days and come back to Omahans with a result of those studies and the committee's recommendations. That will be followed by a series of public hearings."

Instead, they started "shooting from the hip" by making proclamations before a plan was in place.

quote:
The only difference was that this was played out in public.


And Public Relations 101 says you don't play it all out in public.

This was my major in college -- this is what I do. The Fahey Administration's handling of this issue is a classic example of how "not" to handle a public relations situation.
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West O Mike
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  3:19:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There wasn't a PR strategy until February 2008, when they formally presented the proposal and set up the omahastadium.com web site. What we saw was a way-too-open process where meetings that should have been held behind closed doors and in private were held in public view. Much of that is the fault of the Fahey administration. Other groups didn't help things any, especially MECA. I think the steering committee was the first attempt to turn this thing around, but by that time, the cat was out of the bag and much of the dirty laundry was aired in public.

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MavRick
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  4:33:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The NCAA made it very clear to Mike Fahey that they could NOT be portrayed as the ones demanding a new stadium or they'd (a) deny it and (b) take the game someplace else.

That said, I think Fahey could have done more to ask the people for support, rather than present the deal to them as fait accompli (Lot D), and then identify a blue-ribbon committee. Also complicating things was Mr. Sokol, whose stewardship motivations are not terribly clear to me. But the Mayor could have been a more visionary leader and less of an autocrat. On the other hand, I think any rational review of the news over the last six months shows that he had a political gun to his head, held by the NCAA, the whole time.



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West O Mike
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Posted - 04/17/2008 :  4:38:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MavRick

But the Mayor could have been a more visionary leader and less of an autocrat. On the other hand, I think any rational review of the news over the last six months shows that he had a political gun to his head, held by the NCAA, the whole time.

With a December 31, 2007 deadline (later extended to this spring) before the NCAA could begin looking elsewhere.

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MavEconomist
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Posted - 04/18/2008 :  10:50:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was no way to win on the PR front for Fahey in one respect.

If he had instead kept all of the meetings private, he would have suffered the ire of everyone for keeping them private. Everyone (not just the Save Rosenblatt folks) would have assumed he was keeping the meetings private because he was hiding something. Plus, he could have been accused of violating Nebraska's open meetings law. Which, oddly, would be exactly what the Save Rosenblatt folks would want as it would be much easier to recall Fahey if he had actually done so.

Fahey took the better (as there was no good) route: get the pain over with early rather than later so there may be time to forget about it. Once stadium construction begins, how many in Omaha will remember the PR problems of the past year?

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mavaholic
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Posted - 04/26/2008 :  11:04:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10319957

I like at the end of the article how he talks about his goals for the Rosenblatt land. Ummm, unless you are the $12M donor, pretty sure you have zero input as to how the zoo uses the land. I think Panda's are way more likely than Great wolf lodge.

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admin
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Posted - 04/26/2008 :  11:15:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The proposed Panda Pagoda (as presented by Dr. Lee Simmons in 2006) is in an area located in the current zoo boundaries (and the digital renderings look very impressive).

But it is difficult to acquire pandas because of certain laws in place -- if the pandas have babies (for example) those babies have to be sent back to China. There are other issues involved with obtaining pandas (they can only be here for a short time, IIRC), but there have been donors in place for the past few years who are willing to give money to that particular effort.

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West O Mike
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Posted - 04/26/2008 :  1:16:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another local forum is suggesting that a large scale aquarium might replace the old stadium; kind of an indoor SeaWorld or Chicago's Shedd Aquarium.

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WoohooHcky
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Posted - 04/28/2008 :  10:43:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by West O Mike

Another local forum is suggesting that a large scale aquarium might replace the old stadium; kind of an indoor SeaWorld or Chicago's Shedd Aquarium.

Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com



Outside of the "Seaworld" shows, don't we already have that?

My fiance and I visited the Shedd Aquarium last year and were really disapointed. I personally like having a zoo where you can enjoy the animals in their natural habitat instead of forcing them to do tricks for a piece of apple.

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Greg S
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  09:47:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would think space for Pandas would be at the top of the list. I'd also like to see more space for the big cats.

Greg
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mrkaline
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  11:00:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I personally like having a zoo where you can enjoy the animals in their natural habitat instead of forcing them to do tricks for a piece of apple.
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Yep, because Hammerhead Sharks and eels are normally found all over the Metro Omaha area. (i kid i kid)

The zoo could probably support new exhibits in the Rosenblatt space, Dr. Simmons knows how to go big.
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jonesy498
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  11:50:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would love to see the zoo turn the Rosenblatt property into an island. Make it like the Lied Jungle where you get a totally immersive experience, and see the animals in more of a natural setting, or take it and make a new cat complex out of it. We have more tigers than any other zoo and we just don't have a very good display for them.

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who dey
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  12:22:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought we could leave up the stadium and sell tickets to live natural kills by the tigers of whatever animal is sick and will be put down anyway.
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mavaholic
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  1:35:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good call. It could also be used similar to the arena in the movie gladiotor, with the zoo providing the tigers as needed to spice up the gladiator fights.

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